tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post7876889039607821455..comments2023-03-26T00:55:24.627-07:00Comments on Booch Paradise Says: Churchianity at its finestBooch Paradisehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14620432665206273916noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-88972243544672437132013-07-29T17:55:03.462-07:002013-07-29T17:55:03.462-07:00Hi Royal, didn't know you were reading my blog...Hi Royal, didn't know you were reading my blog, but it's good to hear you're thoughts. And I couldn't agree more. It's very hard to find a church that fearlessly follows God and is not afraid of at least parts of the Bible. Booch Paradisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620432665206273916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-55671691558416011902013-07-29T07:02:48.104-07:002013-07-29T07:02:48.104-07:00Hello,
This has been a topic that has irked me ov...Hello,<br /><br />This has been a topic that has irked me over the years. Most churches and those belonging to them choose to completely ignore what is said of women's conduct in church in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy. If it is acknowledged, it is disregarded as a teaching pertaining only to that time (culture) long ago. If we can choose to disregard these instructions/commands for the church, then I suppose I can pick and choose what is true and what isn't anywhere in the Bible... how ridiculous.Royalhttp://royalswebsite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-54166782240927652992013-07-29T05:54:07.776-07:002013-07-29T05:54:07.776-07:00I must have missed it, unless you are saying that ...I must have missed it, unless you are saying that yes 1 Timothy 6:1-2 does support robbing another man of his freedom, or wiping him, or burning him, or killing him. <br /><br />My point is that it's not that 1 Timothy 6:1-2 seems to support these things, and then only when correctly viewed through the proper cultural and historical lens does it become clear that the Bible does not support these things. It's that the conclusions you've drawn from the text do not follow from a plain, literal reading anymore than they do from a reading through the lens of Roman Era slavery. It's like you're saying that "whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also" is a Biblical endorsement for slapping people.<br /><br />But if you want to agree to disagree that's fine. You're perfectly welcome believe that the best literal interpretation of "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered" is "go burn somebody". <br />Booch Paradisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620432665206273916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-53971636069621322242013-07-29T05:22:05.896-07:002013-07-29T05:22:05.896-07:00I already answered that question. I think we are a...I already answered that question. I think we are at the point in the discussion where we agree to disagree. Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06318917196344622669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-8706955662835511992013-07-28T20:16:31.845-07:002013-07-28T20:16:31.845-07:00Perhaps it was a mistake to mention the difference...Perhaps it was a mistake to mention the difference in the institutions of slavery as that's aside from the point. So let's talk about the context in which slavery is mentioned in the Bible. From Wikipedia on slavery in the Roman Empire: "Rome forbade the harbouring of fugitive slaves, and professional slave-catchers were hired to hunt down runaways. Advertisements were posted with precise descriptions of escaped slaves, and offered rewards.[54] If caught, fugitives could be punished by being whipped, burnt with iron, or killed."<br /><br />Do you genuinely believe that the Bible supports this sort of treatment of people? Is whipping, burning, and killing slaves for running away truly supported by 1 Timothy 6:1-2? Or does 1 Timothy 6:1-2 at any time say that it's ok to capture and enslave people? I ask because you've obviously constructed a very weak straw man. The Bible does not endorse slavery outside of the Old Testament nation of Israel. 1 Timothy 1:10 lists enslaving other men as a grave sin. 1 Timothy 6:1-2 tells one how to act if one is a slave, which is clearly distinct from endorsing slavery.<br /><br />There is a reason I included 1 Timothy 2:13-14, and didn't just quote 1 Timothy 2:12. Verses 13 and 14 give the rationale behind verse 12. And the rational has nothing to do with culture and could not be more timeless: “For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” This is why Paul says "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." The fact that Adam came first established a natural order in which men are properly in authority over women. The fact that Eve was deceived and not Adam is why women should not teach. <br /><br />So can you answer the following question:<br />Do you believe that a plain text reading of 1 Timothy 6:1-2 supports capturing free men and enslaving them, enslaving men as a form of debt payment, or burning, wiping or killing men who are slaves?Booch Paradisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620432665206273916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-53250567732564334752013-07-28T17:53:33.396-07:002013-07-28T17:53:33.396-07:00I think your making my point with these questions....I think your making my point with these questions. Is slavery that is mentioned in the Bible the same as pre Civil War slavery? Does the Bible support slavery? No how so I know this? I studied the context of which slavery is mentioned. My point is if I read the scriptures literally and did not know the historical and political background then I would believe the Bible deems slavery to be acceptable. The same goes with the passages you posted on women. I have studied the context and why Paul was trying to establish order in the church of Ephesus. Is there a difference between women's behavior in the church of Ephesus and the modern church? Yes. My point is if you are going to take passages literally you have to take all of them literally or you are doing exactly what you believe the post you mentioned is doing. Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06318917196344622669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-63272069794390307462013-07-28T12:05:13.174-07:002013-07-28T12:05:13.174-07:00So where American Slave owners at the time wrong? ...So where American Slave owners at the time wrong? Would their arguments be right 2000 years ago? If so when did their arguments become wrong? <br /><br />Either the wrongness of slavery is purely cultural, the Bible's support of slavery is wrong, or you're belief that the Bible supports slavery as defined in pre Civil War America is wrong. Which one do you think it is?Booch Paradisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620432665206273916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-72069849764744622082013-07-28T11:56:25.243-07:002013-07-28T11:56:25.243-07:00Oh and that scripture is also from Timothy, 1 Timo...Oh and that scripture is also from Timothy, 1 Timothy 6:1-2Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06318917196344622669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-42436937787274212402013-07-28T10:55:14.641-07:002013-07-28T10:55:14.641-07:00This is similar to the argument slave owners in Am...This is similar to the argument slave owners in America had. The Bible condones slavery and even has teachings on how slaves should obey their masters. I am assuming you don't slavery. It seems to me you are skipping any cultural and historical context. If you are following the Bible literally, please explain how we are to pick and choose which teachings to follow. Why not have slaves? Is it too uncomfortable for you? Or do you value a person's life as a child of God? <br />6 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare[a] of their slavesJessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06318917196344622669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-56620532291952433242013-07-28T08:12:55.218-07:002013-07-28T08:12:55.218-07:00Your comment seems to have some things missing fro...Your comment seems to have some things missing from it. I assume that by the first bit you are saying that anyone who wants to combat feminism should support fundamentalist creationists regardless of their own religious beliefs due to the fact that fundamental, christian creationism is an effect means.<br /><br />But I'm not following on putting the onus on women. The onus to what?Booch Paradisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620432665206273916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2655933775536213118.post-10377555224373665652013-07-27T21:57:26.051-07:002013-07-27T21:57:26.051-07:00support fundamentalists and creationists (even if ...support fundamentalists and creationists (even if you believe in evolution)<br /><br />a rigid interpretation of the bible is a natural defense against churchianity<br /><br />especially the story of creation<br /><br />nothing else puts the onus on the female quite like it<br /><br />and God knows females don't have enough onus on them these days!evilwhitemalempirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10247858808218667825noreply@blogger.com